Hey there, I am looking for a drummer and pianist/keyboardist to help bring some punk-emo music to life. I have a page at www.myspace.com/relivingneverland. Please go there and check out the songs I have posted. If you like it, message me or email me at relivingneverland@gmail.com and perhaps we can get something going. I am also looking for a bassist or guitarist (I will play the other), but it is not as pressing right now.

If you started this band 12 years ago, you would have been huge!

That's still ahead of the curve here in Albuquerque.

That's a good way to show love for your community...start by bashing them.

I'm not trying to talk shit, just saying that people tend to catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.

I don't know.. I thought that was a pretty good come-back. Dave's a big boy, he can take it.

EMO Story

Stumbled across this about Emo Music, best described by 5MS

That was a great comeback by RN. I wasn't bashing, just joking and he/she obviously has a sense of humor.


I think this sums up the beginings of emo pretty well....I don't know what it has turned into these days but...

After Minor Threat broke up in late 1983, the vibrant DC hardcore-punk scene that exploded in 1981 seems to start to run out of steam and fresh ideas within the established DC hardcore sound. The wistful, posthumous Minor Threat 7" "Salad Days" comes out in 1984 and drives the final nail into the coffin of DC hardcore punk. Bands all over the country begin casting about for new things to do : DRI and Bad Brains start going cheeze-metal, New York bands start doing tough-guy mosh, 7Seconds goes jangly U2 alternative, etc. The prevailing change in D.C. is toward melodic rock with punk sensibilities.

1984 marks the release of Zen Arcade by Minneapolis band Hüsker Dü, documenting their new mature sound combining furious, intense vocal delivery and driving guitars with slowed-down rockish tempos and more-complex, melodic songwriting.

In spring 1984, a new band called Rites Of Spring forms from members of The Untouchables/Faith and Deadline. This band retains a punk speed and frenzy, but brings a totally new vocal approach to the mix. Singer Guy Picciotto keeps an out-of-breath punk style most of the time, at times delving into intensely personal lyrics dripping with emotion and sweat. His voice breaks down at climactic moments into a throaty, gravelly, passionate moan.

The summer of 1985 becomes known as "Revolution Summer" when a new wave of rock-tempo, melody based, sung-vocal bands forms out of the DC punk musician pool with diverse rock sounds - Three, Gray Matter, Soulside, Ignition, Marginal Man, Fire Party, Rain, Shudder to Think, etc. Few bands retain the fast hardcore punk-based sound with the new vocal approach, Dag Nasty being the notable exception.

Minor Threat's singer, Ian MacKaye's, sings for a band called Embrace (compare the band name to earlier DC bands Minor Threat, Void, and State Of Alert) whose lyrics are emotional and deeply self-questioning, but still clear and unambiguous. Musically, the group (formed mostly of ex-Faith members) writes midtempo, somewhat jangly music with a lot of pop guitar hooks. MacKaye's vocals retain his trademark bold enunciation, with only occasional sparks of emotive delivery.

These bands' sound eventually becomes known as the classic "D.C. sound." Some of it is derisively labeled "emo," as shorthand for "emotional." One account has this term first appearing in a Flipside interview with Ian MacKaye. Shortly thereafter DC bands aquire the tag "emo-core."

Slightly later (1986), some bands begin to focus on the "emo" element itself. The Hated in Annapolis (near D.C.) seem to be the first post-Rites of Spring to do this. Shortly thereafter, Moss Icon appears in in the same town. Moss Icon strips the "emo" element down to the core, and adds a great deal of intricate, arpeggiated guitar melody (by Tonie Joy, later of Born Against, Lava, Universal Order of Armageddon, etc.) with a strong focus on loud/soft dynamics. The vocals, too, break new ground by building up to actual top-of-the-lungs screaming at songs' climaxes.

Moss Icon, as a relatively well-known band that toured some, introduces the punk scene to music that has core emphasis on emotion instead of punk energy. As such, I consider them the starting point for the emo movement, not Rites of Spring as is more commonly asserted. Later emo bands draw heavily from the Moss Icon dynamics, guitar style, and vocal delivery.

I can sum up that whole history in one word!!

Suck!

Did anyone see SSgt. Winterlock's interview in Scars and Stripes? Check it!

Open-Minded Music Lover Likes All Kinds Of Metal

Kirtland AFB---Area music enthusiast SSgt. Geoff Winterlock, 22, is completely open to enjoying "all kinds" of metal, the self-described eclectic iconoclast said Monday.

"Some people are so narrow-minded and uptight about music, but I'm into a wide variety of bands—everything from Sabbath to Disturbed," Winterlock said. "Whether it's the old stuff, like vintage Maiden or Priest; new stuff, like Mastodon or the Sword; the virtuosic neoclassicism of DragonForce; the unpolished rawness of, say, Motörhead; a multiplatinum band like the Crüe; an alternative act like Clutch; or just a local outfit like Soldiers of Carnage here in town—power metal, speed metal, glam metal, thrash metal, death metal, nü metal, metal-core, or even Norwegian black metal—it's all music to me, man."

Winterlock conceded that the one musical style he simply cannot abide is rap metal. Not to mention Emo, Country and "that ghey-ass disco crap."

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Open-Minded Music Lover Likes All Kinds Of Metal

Kirtland AFB---Area music enthusiast SSgt. Geoff Winterlock, 22, is completely open to enjoying "all kinds" of metal, the self-described eclectic iconoclast said Monday.

"Some people are so narrow-minded and uptight about music, but I'm into a wide variety of bands—everything from Sabbath to Disturbed," Winterlock said. "Whether it's the old stuff, like vintage Maiden or Priest; new stuff, like Mastodon or the Sword; the virtuosic neoclassicism of DragonForce; the unpolished rawness of, say, Motörhead; a multiplatinum band like the Crüe; an alternative act like Clutch; or just a local outfit like Soldiers of Carnage here in town—power metal, speed metal, glam metal, thrash metal, death metal, nü metal, metal-core, or even Norwegian black metal—it's all music to me, man."

Winterlock conceded that the one musical style he simply cannot abide is rap metal. Not to mention Emo, Country and "that ghey-ass disco crap."

This is the funniest things I have ever read... but one should note that I am 24 not 22 and pissed because my Black Maria hat was stolen!!!!

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Originally posted by SSgt Winterlock:
I can sum up that whole history in one word!!

Suck!

Ya, you're right...Minor Threat sucks, Shudder to Think Sucks, basically, anything that came out of DC in the early to mid-80s sucks. And anything that came later, for that matter-ie Fugazi, Black Flag, the Minutemen. It all sucks.

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basically, anything that came out of DC in the early to mid-80s sucks. And anything that came later, for that matter-ie Fugazi, Black Flag, the Minutemen. It all sucks.

Not at all. Pentagram & The Obsessed did NOT suck. The DC Doom scene was fertile ground.

Dividing DC into the Punk scene & the Doom Scene is a mistake, though - Ian Mackaye was instrumental in promoting The Obsessed, and The Obsessed also frequently played with punk acts for mostly punk crowds. Rollins & Wino were also buddies before Henreh left town for LA, and Pete Stahl (Scream, Wool) later sang for one of the heaviest Doom Metal acts ever, Goatsnake.

Anyway, I'm just kidding around here - back to yer previously scheduled programming...

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Originally posted by RacerX:
and Pete Stahl (Scream, Wool) later sang for one of the heaviest Doom Metal acts ever, Goatsnake.

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Pete Stahl was the man. I was lucky enough to see Scream, one of my favorite punk bands ever. And then he goes ahead and does Goatsnake! Another great band.

I was lucky enogh to jam with Scream twice, and nearly come to blows with Skeeter when he tried to skip out on paying for a grip of Michoacn's finest.
Fucking dork.

Uh...what were we arguing about here again...?

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Originally posted by black:
I was lucky enough to jam with Scream twice

I'm speachless

Skeeter still owes a friend of mine $150 for an OZ> from 1992!

I'm not ripping on our community. I just think the metal scene here is getting a little overcrowded and it would be great to hear something else. Maybe my definition of Emo is a little different from everyone else here, since I've never heard of any of the bands mentioned so far. My feeling on the music follows in the footsteps of The Starting Line, Something Corporate, The Used, Copeland, LoveDrug, etc...not 30 seconds to Mars, Alesena or even Dashboard Confessional. I'm going more for Mae, Yellowcard or Jack's Mannequin. That's my concept of punk-pop/emo. All I can say is, listen to the music before you criticize.

Also, it wouldn't be 12 years ago that I would be huge, it's more like I missed the boat by 7 or 8 years, but its the style I enjoy playing and I know there are others out there who enjoy it as well.

By the way, I'm lovin the action that this post has caused. Keep up the posts.

yellowcard...emo violin at it's finest!!

Is it OK if prospective band members wear girl pants to an audition/in general?