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i thought this thread was dead, but it's like a zombie: BRAINS! BRAINS! BRAINS! whatever mathrock is i dont know. there are many ways of doing math. i like imaginary numbers. alot alt-time sig stuff i hear is like frankenstein, cut-up and forced to fit, it may as well be dave mathews band. Billy Cobham is ok, but the best alternate time grooving is Horace Tapscott's album AIEEE! The Phantom. It's in the jazz category, but its the best ive heard. If you want some to hear some excellent grooving through multiple alt-time signatures within a single tune, check it out.
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| Posts: 564 | Location: next to you | Registered: January 31, 2005 |    |
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quote: Originally posted by My Whole Other Life: We use soft rape rhythms.
I bet that sounds really keen, when played on Pro Gear.
"Had I'd know it'd end this way, I wish, I wish, I wish I'd brought those chains." -- 5MS
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| Posts: 547 | Location: Albuquerque NM USA | Registered: November 17, 2003 |    |
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quote: Honestly, if we all played the same style of music..then that shit would get pretty fucking monotonous. Lets just all continue to talk shit about each other and make crappy music.
awesome. hehe
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| Posts: 405 | Location: Xibalba | Registered: October 10, 2003 |    |
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quote: Originally posted by KronicMark420: Forgive me... But you are all thinking too much! This is Rock and Roll, not trying to launch a rocket into space. yes thats been said before but its the truth.
Man, I don't think the 'kronic' is working for you. Is it that schwag that you're smoking? Open your mind and don't be afraid to think. I promise 7/8 time isn't as hard as it first seems, and it can groove if done properly. Having a specific aesthetic of Rock is one thing, but flippantly dismissing odd times just, it seems to me, limits your chance to enjoy more music and expand your playing ability.
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quote: Originally posted by KronicMark420: This is Rock and Roll, not trying to launch a rocket into space. yes thats been said before but its the truth.
What? Oh, shit... all this time I meant to be on rocketintospacesquawk.com! Y'all have been playing me for chumps.
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| Posts: 2987 | Location: location, location | Registered: December 13, 2003 |    |
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quote: Man, I don't think the 'kronic' is working for you. Is it that schwag that you're smoking? Open your mind and don't be afraid to think. I promise 7/8 time isn't as hard as it first seems, and it can groove if done properly. Having a specific aesthetic of Rock is one thing, but flippantly dismissing odd times just, it seems to me, limits your chance to enjoy more music and expand your playing ability.
I'm just saying like many have said here before, whether it's 4/4, 5/4, or 7/8 if it feels good playing it, you can't go wrong. but rock is rock. and I prefer to have humans making music not computers. because rock music is "organic". like my audio engineer instructor said: "if it sounds good.... IT IS GOOD."
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| Posts: 155 | Location: Obsidean Valley | Registered: April 13, 2005 |    |
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Sometimes I like stuff in odd time sigs to feel really bad and jagged. Occasionally it's the right feel for an idea.
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I like to waltz...I also like 4/4 I once played a rythem that was, well, sort of out there and a member of the band looked at me and said, "Damn dude, don't get all Rushy on us." I thought it was funny. Wj. p.s. unless you're really close with someone About the worst thing in the world for bass players is when a guitarist comes to them with some crazy riff and says, "so what time is that in?" Everyon knows that's a drummers Job...
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Alot of times for me, all that math core shit gets annoying as hell, "mastadon", or "Norma Jean" kinda shit. Yeah, they are cool bands for sure, but its kinda hard to groove when the time changes all the damn time. Check out some old school FF, they used to do that shit. IMO, time change is cool, just take it easy, I think alot of those bands do it just to try and impress others with their musical theory skills. Im not impressed.
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| Posts: 765 | Location: Albucrappy | Registered: September 13, 2006 |    |
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Definately, "odd" time sigs are like anything else in composing: a tool in the tool box.
Like adding a gong or a ratty-assed sounding guitar, they can help make music exciting. And just like anything else, they can quickly become a crutch or over-thought. That is probably why most non-musicians and even many good musicians hate them.
Some composers/writers use them correctly, and the songs they make don't feel like someone tried to cram a seven-sided turd into the middle of the song.
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quote: Some composers/writers use them correctly, and the songs they make don't feel like someone tried to cram a seven-sided turd into the middle of the song.
Not us - we're all about pathetically piss-poor polygonal poop placement.
...DooM...
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quote: Originally posted by Skreech: when we all play an odd time signature like 9/12 unless we work on it for weeks
9/12?!?!?!?? Never heard of it, but it is not impossible, if one is in the Henry Cowell state-of-mind. "Harmonic-rhythm" whereby the overtones of certain (if not all) frequencies will vibrate at speeds and intervals depending on the 'node' (physical or otherwise) at which the vibration is stopped. in other words, you must create harmonic series of pitches so that the rhythms can be proportional to their frequencies. What is meant is that you guys need to nail 12 bass strings to a wooden table and tune them at new just intervals. then cut the legs off the table at the same time... even then, the 9/12 node will produce the same rhythm is the same as the 3/4 one.
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you guys are fucking nerds
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there's absolutely nothing wrong with straight up barrelling 4/4 rock. we have one part that after it was written we decided to figure out what time signature it is. turns out it switches between 5/4 and 3/4 in alternating measures.
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