So what do you people think about James Cameron "discovering" the tomb of Jesus and his family (including his wife and his son)? Real or not real? Thoughts?

My thoughts are that those names (mariamene - form of mary, or mariam or maria, Jesus, judah, jose - form of joseph, James etc.) were incredibly common place. For example, 25% of women in that era also known as the "common era" were named Mariamene. Its the modern day equivalent of "Smith or Garcia etc" today. If you could look into a dex yellow pages from that era, the section under any of those names would be identical to the section of Smiths today.

Also the "technology" they used to verify and link James funeral box with that of the vandalized family-tomb also known as patina fingerprinting, was invented by Jacobovici's entourage specifically for this project and subsequently is critical to his argument. As to it's validity for scientific dating, well it has absolutely no track record thus no real validity in the scientific community ... not to mention it was incredibly handy for Jacobovici who was placed with a situation he could not explain but desperately needed to. "hmm let's see, I need to link James box to the tomb but I cant .... I KNOW Lets make something up! We'll make it all hi-tech, scientific sounding, and hideously complex so noone will question it ... and we'll call it patina fingerprinting." - lol please. Sounds to me like Jacobovici is playing a big game of pseudo-science CSI to me.

Thirdly, For Jacobovici's scenario to work, someone would have had to quickly move the body away, on the Sabbath, and secretly place it in a brand-new, paid-for family tomb—all before dawn on Sunday. A few other questions that come to mind are why would Jesus's family have a tomb outside of Jerusalem if they were from Nazareth? and why would they have a tomb if they were poor? They wouldnt be able to afford one.

Another discrepency is that Jacobovic hypothesizes that Jesus and Mary Magdalene had a child whose remains were in the "Judas, son of Jesus" ossuary. Not that I take the bible as literal truth or truth at all because I dont, but none the less, this comes off to me as over-the-top sensationalism akin to the Davinci code.

The guy is neither a scientist or a archaeologist, he is a film maker. Im not going to say I think he is wrong, he may very well have found the family tomb of Jesus (after all, 600-1 aren't horrible) but his explanation is full of IMHO unexplainable thus inexcusable holes and pseudo-science sensationalism.

Until he can substantiate some of the wild claims he is making, IMO jacobovici has found nothing more than a very interesting circumstance that will make a great TV show on Discovery ... (did I mention $$$$$$$$? )

Dude---this information is on both the T.V. and the InterWeb. If that isn't proof enough of the facts, well you just might be a Ludite and an Info-Hater. The sad part is gonna be when they cut out another paid Holiday for many of us.

I can hear the memo being generated as I type this....


ATTENTION!!

Easter Has Been Canceled!
They Found The Body!!

I just hope they stop at that. Keep their science off my Easter Bunny.
For Real...

I think he should concentrate on a Growing Pains reunion...........

How come Christianity is the only organized religion on trial lately? I don't think that a similar "witch hunt" would fly if was about the Muslim or Islam religion. Opinions?

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Easter Has Been Canceled!
They Found The Body!!

Two enthusiastic thumbs up!

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How come Christianity is the only organized religion on trial lately?

"On trial"? In what sense?

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"On trial"? In what sense?

It seems lately there is alot of stuff going around to try to defunk it. I am sure that it has been happening for the last 2000 years but now it seems that it's become profitable.

I'm a Buddhist- so Christianity, or anything else for that matter doesn't really concern me.

However-

It is very interesting to look at the so called "Other Bible" (texts like the Gospel of Thomas, Gnostic Texts, etc.) Many of these books were written at the same time as the cannonized texts of the bible as we know it, but were not selected for inclusion in the "Holy Bible" (as these texts were selected by man as part of a political process). One common theme throughout these texts is that God is within each one of us - as opposed to some dude residing in the sky and looking down on us. Here's the problem though- If the Church had acknowledged that we all have god within us, it would destroy the whole Hierarchical structure of the Church, and the power that came from such a hierarchical structure. Hmmmm... Fuck it. Long Live the Buddha.


"If you bring forth what is within you, what you bring forth will save you- if you do not bring forth what is within you, what you do not bring forth will destroy you"

-Jesus in the Gospel of Thomas

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It seems lately there is alot of stuff going around to try to defunk it.

Assuming you meant "debunk" rather than "defunk," I don't see it that way. Just like Biblical literalists see the theory of evolution as contradictory to the "7 day creation," they see this as an attack on their literal interpretation that Christ's physical body ascended. Strict literal interpretation of sacred texts of ANY religion sets believers up for a fall when their interpretations are called into question.

I'm not a Xtian myself, but I know plenty of them that can reconcile their beliefs with modern scientific findings/ideas. 7 days, I ask? Sorry, those were 7 GOD days, they say, and who knows how long one of those suckers runs?

So if someone's faith is shaken by the idea that maybe Christ's SOUL ascended instead of his body, perhaps that person needs to look to a more relaxed interpretation of the bible. Dogma is generally a bad thing, IMO.

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So if someone's faith is shaken by the idea that maybe Christ's SOUL ascended instead of his body, perhaps that person needs to look to a more relaxed interpretation of the bible. Dogma is generally a bad thing, IMO.

I AGREE.

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Church had acknowledged that we all have god within us, it would destroy the whole Hierarchical structure of the Church, and the power that came from such a hierarchical structure. Hmmmm...

Don't need a church to believe in a higher power. The world might be a better place without them...

I'm much more interested in finding out who the father of Anna Nicole Smith's baby is.

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I'm much more interested in finding out who the father of Anna Nicole Smith's baby is.

I'm 99% sure it's Chris Elliot.

My money's on James Brown.

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My money's on James Brown.

Your money is no good around me pal. Next round of conspiracy theories and defunking (?) is on me...

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Dude---this information is on both the T.V. and the InterWeb. If that isn't proof enough of the facts, well you just might be a Ludite and an Info-Hater. The sad part is gonna be when they cut out another paid Holiday for many of us.

I can hear the memo being generated as I type this....


ATTENTION!!

Easter Has Been Canceled!
They Found The Body!!

I just hope they stop at that. Keep their science off my Easter Bunny.
For Real...

Oh, that's just too good.

My problem with this james camerin thing is this..science and history has already proven that Jesus was a real person. the only problem is no one really knows who Jesus is or was. why do you think there are so many religions based on one man? i belive in God and jesus as my savior but one of things that cameron says is he is going to prove that Jesus isnt the Messiah! thats like islam saying the Holocost never happened. the Bible was written by man and therefore Infallible in mans eyes. its like all the catholics trying to get the book The da Vinci code Banned. what for? its a story..just like the bible. I choose to belive in the Holy trinity because its my own personal relationship with God. its not some Bishop or priest making me belive in him.

Another thing he is trying to prove is that Jesus had a Family. isnt that what Christianity and Catholisism is all about? family? who cares if he had a family and a wife .. he was a man..hell most priests have more sex than im sure he did but yet if he is proven to have had a family then the whole religion is or was based on a lie? comon who cares if he had a family or not?

i was listenng to buck and dex this morning too and i know this whole thing has Dex a little on edge and all but man..he shouldnt be his belife are all his no one elses to claim true or false.