So this garbage was supposed to start June 1. How has it been going? I'd love to hear any feedback from you bands that have been playing now that the ban has taken effect! We are taking most of June off, so we wouldn't know.

I heard June 15th.

Thanks. I guess I heard wrong. Still can't wait to see how it goes!

yeah... I think it is supposed to start on June 15th. We played a gig in Texas last week. They already have a smoking ban in place. It was somewhat shitty, because I could see half the crowd outside the bar smoking.

Yeah, that front outside area the Launchpad has is gonna be packed.

We played the roller derby a few weeks back, which is a non smoking event. The staff told us not to worry about it, and, as there were ashtrays and matches on all the tables, we sequestered ourselves far away and lit up. Sure enough, a fat, old, ugly smoking nazi had to make its way across the club to berate us. Feh.

yep it starts on the 15th

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Originally posted by foodstamps:
Yeah, that front outside area the Launchpad has is gonna be packed.

Feh.

not likely, the law says smokers have to be 20' or 30' from the door .

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Originally posted by stue trory:

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Originally posted by foodstamps:
Yeah, that front outside area the Launchpad has is gonna be packed.

Feh.

not likely, the law says smokers have to be 20' or 30' from the door .

Yeah.
And there are laws that say you aren't supposed to speed in a vehicle. Everybody sure seems to obey that one. And the laws against having sex unless married. Especially if one is a homo. Oh, and what about that whole deal about marajuana? Good thing we are all following all these fucking laws.

And goodness a few power trippin', small time politicos are watching my back (or is it my lungs?) on this over-governmenting smoking crap. Hopefully they will have their goon squad, I mean the cops, make certain that all aspects of this new "Law" are enforced. Including whatever ridiculous distance regulations are implimented. Because that's the kind of important shit we want to make sure the cops are doing.

Sheesh....

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Originally posted by black:

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Originally posted by stue trory:

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Originally posted by foodstamps:
Yeah, that front outside area the Launchpad has is gonna be packed.

Feh.

not likely, the law says smokers have to be 20' or 30' from the door .

Yeah.
And there are laws that say you aren't supposed to speed in a vehicle. Everybody sure seems to obey that one. And the laws against having sex unless married. Especially if one is a homo. Oh, and what about that whole deal about marajuana? Good thing we are all following all these fucking laws.

And goodness a few power trippin', small time politicos are watching my back (or is it my lungs?) on this over-governmenting smoking crap. Hopefully they will have their goon squad, I mean the cops, make certain that all aspects of this new "Law" are enforced. Including whatever ridiculous distance regulations are implimented. Because that's the kind of important shit we want to make sure the cops are doing.

Sheesh....

You forgot the cell phone/car law as well..sheesh!!

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Originally posted by The Duke City Madman: You forgot the cell phone/car law as well..sheesh!!

You're right. Thanks for reminding me of yet another law created to "protect" me, that no one gives two hoots in Hell about following.

It just seems like the kind of shit that makes it easier for the enforcers of Law to pick and choose what they will fuck with me about. Hey! Just because they are out to get me, doesn't necessarily mean I'm paranoid.

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Originally posted by black:

... Hopefully they will have their goon squad, I mean the cops, make certain that all aspects of this new "Law" are enforced. Including whatever ridiculous distance regulations are implimented. Because that's the kind of important shit we want to make sure the cops are doing.

Sheesh....

the thing is, S.I.D. is allegedly going to be the enforcement arm of this new law, which just puts them in the clubs more where they can root around and nitpick the bar owners over more little shit.

the bottom line is that people should just recognise that less than 50% of the populace smokes (cigarettes) and they should respect those that work in these establishments that do not want to spend 35 minutes every night cleaning up after them, and then washing their hair/skin 3-4 times to get the stench off of them before they go to bed.

the idea that you are entitled to do something that DOES affect everyone in the room, then throw your butts on the floor, into glasses, or anything that will not burst into flames is indicative of what is wrong with americans in general:
we feel that if we want to do something, we should be able to do it, regardless of how it affects anyone else...
(colonialism, anyone?)

i do not agree with making laws to regulate everyone and everything, but we have made it clear that as a people, we will not take the initiative to take responsibility for what we do as individuals, OR as a group, so leave it to the paper-pushers to step in and tell us what to do/not do.

the sooner we start to do the right thing WITHOUT legislation, the sooner we will find these laws unnecessary, and increasingly less popular.

What a strange defense for evading the fact that we don't need any more laws, and that a ban is far too extreme and sets dangerous precedents. The point is that there was no compromising, no special zoning for smoking venues, no reasonable halfway point that would have made both parties happy. For some folks, a cigarette's the only vacation they get. All a lot of people want after work is a beer and a cigarette. But others want to be so mean, so selfish, so transparently jealous of those who take pleasure in smoking (perhaps because they themselves are ex-smokers -- this is most often the case), that there's no listening to more sensible moderate solutions.

Let's not pretend that it was impossible to avoid restaurants without smoke. There were hundreds of non-smoking choices -- and a handful of smoking venues. But even those were too much for the whiners, who overlook the danger in giving the government more control over private business.

If people don't want to smell any smoke at all, why go to the bar? They suddenly have the right to screw up their bodies with that poison while demanding their own personal ideal conditions in every other respect? And the employee argument is a bad one; if you don't want bar conditions, don't work in a bar. There are plenty of other choices. Nobody forces anyone to work anywhere.

Of course, this was not a health issue. Americans don't care about their health. If that were the case, McDonald's and Burger King would be closed down, outdoor activities would be much more popular than television, and not nearly as many people would drink to excess. What Americans do care about are superficial aspects like acceptance and approval, sad to say. The anti-tobacco lobbies, etc. knew that, so they appealed to people on that level. This was not a health issue. This was a precise campaign to socially stigmatize smokers.

yeah, chris, its all about jealousy .

i can not respond to that beyond that i was NEVER a smoker of cigarettes.

the choice is not there for those that want to see rock shows , you go to a bar or you have pretty much no chance of seeing a good touring band . . . (outside of those few and far between gallery/house shows . . . and you will NOT see UNSANE at one of those)

as for the service industry, no, there is no option that gives you the leeway that working in a bar gives you, let alone the money.
between working 2 (or more) jobs, looking like a malcontent, or having just a different sort of mindset, the bars are where you go to eek out a living.

i thought i made it clear that i do not endorse governmental interference in our personal lives, but apparently the chemicals in your stinksticks tell you that i am trying to help them take your slowpoison away .

Yeah, those chemicals totally skew judgement. Have another beer.

Oh my, where do I start.

1. There are many jobs I could take that I could make more money at, but I don't for various reasons like I don't like the work, enviroment (that are hazardous to your health but doesn't allow smoking either), dress code, schedule, etc.
2. It should be up to the business owner to decided if they want to risk losing smoker cliental and staff or non-worker cliental or staff.
3. 20'? I say we all go stand in the middle of central west of where it's blocked off and have a puff.
4. Quit spending my goddam money on enforcing frivolous laws.

I heard that Santa Fe Tabacco (which is a smoking workplace) is exempt because the majority (all) of their income is from the sale of tobacco. I don't see what difference that should make under the premise of the law. Oh, gee, is it because they pay so much in taxes that NM doesn't want to run them out of the state? Hmmmmmmmmmm. Hypocracy at its best.

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Originally posted by Whipping Boy Chris:
Yeah, those chemicals totally skew judgement. Have another beer.

perhaps i will.

then again, i will also admit there is a chemical reaction when i do so...

can you do the same, puffy ?

I agree with Tonic, stage a Smoke-In!!! Like 20+ people per bar AND fooding establishment. There would be no way they would get everyone. maybe even a multi-state smoke in.

I like how our LOCAL government actively seeks and succeeds to take away our liberties and sense of privacy.

1. Red Light Cameras + regular cameras at lights
2. Cameras Downtown
3. Cell phone driving Law
4. Smoking ban

Federal govt.

1. Patriot act (Which may or may not affect everyone) I just go by dont be a criminal or a terrorist and live your life and nothing will happen.

In conclusion, Marty Chavez is more of a threat than our federal govt. I mean, what has our fed. gov. done lately to impress us, Republican or Democrat?

You guys forgot about the Cockfighting ban.....That's the one that really irks me. Now I have nothing to do on the weekends.

(Taking Dave aside and gently explaining what a cockfight actually is)

Okay, that was funnier in my head.

Anyway, Stue, you win all arguments by default as long as you keep calling me "Puffy." I like it.

Every time I hear about "Puffy Coombs," it makes me think of roosters because they also have puffy combs (which brings it all full circle - back to the cock).