So, according to Pat Robertson, Sarah Palin is the most exciting politician since Ronald Reagan...

uhhh...
exciting?

Since his illness and subsequent death, there has been a campaign by the right to elevate the Gipper to an almost godlike status.

It seems that the farther you get from an administration, the easier it is to distort the real legacy .

record deficits, S and Ls , Iran-Contra, and an unprecedented military buildup ...

THE GREATEST PRESIDENT
until W, that is.

With this kind of objectivity, it is no wonder that the "pitbull in lipstick" IS a dynamic wunderkind .

Let's all just forget that she has been a proponent for family values AND abstinence-only sex education, and how she is an anti-corruption advocate and look at how she presented herself to the campaign trail ...

no, let's not:

she is a gimmick, and she has nothing but a high-pitched attack strategy of "how dare they judge me by my accomplishments just because i am a woman", and smarmy jesus freak rhetoric .

Just like Edwards was ruined by his infidelity, she should be called out on her inability to keep her house in order, and THAT has nothing to do with her being a woman,
but EVERYTHING to do with her touting the importance of family-first horseshit.

family first- fire anyone that conflicts with your family, if that doesn't work, fire those that refuse to do the former.

...it is my daughter's choice to have this baby, but when i get in office, no one else should have the "choice" .

i can not wait for the religious zealots to chime in about how she is a "reformer" despite her hiring a lobbyist to get federal and state funds while a mayor and governor.

bottom line-
whatever the republicans say is fact because they say it.

They all have the same talking points and they repeat them regardless of how inaccurate and insulting they are.

uh, foreign policy experience because she governed the state closest to Russia ?
shit.

i have not been able to tear myself away from watching the sea of pasty white faces at the RNC deluding themselves and swallowing all the fear-mongering horse dung that the GOP apparently feels is still valid lo these many years since the WMD argument against Iraq...
because, there is no history but the one you choose to acknowledge.

at this rate, W will be touted as a great hero in ten years or so, despite the facts to the contrary.

if you fall for the republican line, you are an idiot.

now, let's get to the delusion.

Amen, Stu.

Milfy McMooseburger for Veep!

I've been waiting for another juicy political debate on RS. I can't wait to read Skreech's rebuttal! Skreech, what's your thoughts on the election so far?

Sarah Palin is an alien and I have the picture to prove it, look...

The "Speech to Nowhere" last night was riveting. I'm glad she spent the 1st 10 of 36 minutes introducing and showing her family (plus boyfriend that fucked and knocked up her 17 year old daughter). Then she made some jokes about Obama for the next 10 minutes or so. She attacked the media for attacking her, then recited all the crap that the media has published about her: "Thanks but no thanks" for the bridge to nowhere" (which is a lie), "I stood up to the good ol' boy network", "stood up to the big oil companies", "maverick, maverick, maverick" then paraded her daughters boyfriend around the stage, he would not have been up there if the media didn’t talk about the story. What a joke.
“Drill baby Drill!”

They may just elect the self-proclaimed "bitch with lipstick" as vice president. If we're not careful these damn hockey-moms are gonna rule the country.

that's why I say-

Cthulhu / Yog-Sothoth '08
"why choose the lesser evil?"

Nah I got nothin to say. Not much any way. Stu didn't really make any points that aren't easily turned around with situational ethics.

I'm enjoying the RNC. We'll see what happens.

All I know is if Obama, Papa smurf, and the Care Bears take office then I wouldn't be surprised if his ratings look similar to the branch of government he is currently "working" in. Obama is such a fairy tale. I can't wait for the debates. Eloquent Obama vs straight talk Mcain. Ha Ha! It might actually be better than the Bush vs Kerry debate. Any one wanna buy some wood? Bush is your man!

skreech, you sure wear your heart on your sleeve for someone who considers himself objective.

Both VP picks are so clearly pandering to one-issue assholes and armchair pundits. I'm disappointed in both candidates. They are just trying to put patches over the holes in their dams in advance. They know the jerkoff media will hammer them relentlessly on anecdotes and talking points, and they picked the most pat, uninspired, uninspiring, focus group'd, lowest common denominator they could that would answer those charges in one word or less. They may as well be running with a catchphrase painted on a board. Woman. White. Experienced. Young. Fucking weak.

But who cares? We all have picked who we are voting for already anyway, right? If you havn't, you are a liar or too stupid to be allowed to vote. Better to vote selfishly and short-sighted for your pocketbook or a poorly-understood moral issue then to sift over trivia thinking you can equivocate shit into gold.

I'm voting Obama, but I don't have any rose-colored glasses. Either one would be better than what we have. Unless they die. Then we'll have a smarmy plagiarist or a shrill nutjob.

i just look at it as a person with power to access all the oil in alaska...sometimes its really that simple folks...big oil just gettin bigger with out having to pay for it...

that woman came out of left field regardless of her home issues...but...because of that...its gonna be really hard to take her seriously on any family based legislation should they take office...other than that... ... ...

quote:

Originally posted by Pariah Carey:
If you havn't, you are a liar or too stupid to be allowed to vote.

So true.

quote:

.big oil just gettin bigger with out having to pay for it...

Ok lets make big oil smaller. Decrease supply and make prices go up more. Lets throw taxes in the mix and make our economy improve. What? Common sense people.

To those who hate big oil and ride a bike, more power to ya. You are helping make it less expensive for the rest of us. Keep at it!

I'm down for fighting about the real issues. Candidates can take a back seat.

here's her theme song-

"...If the real thing dont do the trick
You better make up something quick
You gonna burn burn burn burn it to the wick
Ooooooh, barracuda? ..."

Let's talk oil, then.

The thing that keeps getting to me is why Republicans make it seem like we have a choice between drilling in our wildlife reserves or high prices.

Gas is, like, $2 cheaper per gallon in Mexico. Exxon has a market balance to maintain. The company (which posted all-time history-making profits for the last few quarters) has figured out how much it can charge Americans before Americans start buying less gas. Give Exxon more gas, and do you really think prices will go down? This is not a simple supply-and-demand equation, though it's been framed that way so the asses and ephelants have something to talk about this election cycle.

So really, to decrease gas prices, we just need to tell oil companies to back the fuck up. Republican, Democrat, whomever, needs to grow some huevos and put his/her foot down about too high gas prices.

But do we have any politicians who aren't in the pocket of big oil? It takes money to raise those campaigns.

You'll see a minority candidate and a female candidate waaaaay before you'll see a "poor" candidate. And I mean "poor" like we're poor. Not "poor" as in "doesn't have $5 million."

And, Skreech or anyone else, what do you have to say in defense of Palin? I absolutely do not understand why making her the VP choice didn't put y'all off your lunches.

quote:

Originally posted by boomhead:
Let's talk oil, then.

The thing that keeps getting to me is why Republicans make it seem like we have a choice between drilling in our wildlife reserves or high prices.
It's not only the wildlife reserves. The portion of any wildlife reserve would be minimal. Besides, Elk don't really care one way or the other. There are other areas of the North Slope that can be drilled.

Gas is, like, $2 cheaper per gallon in Mexico. Exxon has a market balance to maintain. The company (which posted all-time history-making profits for the last few quarters) has figured out how much it can charge Americans before Americans start buying less gas. Give Exxon more gas, and do you really think prices will go down? This is not a simple supply-and-demand equation, though it's been framed that way so the asses and elephants have something to talk about this election cycle.
Really? It's not simple economics? Hmmm... So, why does Cali have $4/gallon gas still while the rest of the country is "enjoying" about $3.60-ish? It's called refining requirements and detergent additives. That's the biggest reason. Mexico doesn't have the same smog laws we have here in the good ol' USA. It's not because the Mexicans can't afford it.....for the most part.

So really, to decrease gas prices, we just need to tell oil companies to back the fuck up. Republican, Democrat, whomever, needs to grow some huevos and put his/her foot down about too high gas prices.
Again, individual States are the ones implicating what kind of gas can be pumped in their State. When was the last time you saw 93 Octane here in ABQ?

But do we have any politicians who aren't in the pocket of big oil? It takes money to raise those campaigns.
Nope

You'll see a minority candidate and a female candidate waaaaay before you'll see a "poor" candidate. And I mean "poor" like we're poor. Not "poor" as in "doesn't have $5 million."

And, Skreech or anyone else, what do you have to say in defense of Palin? I absolutely do not understand why making her the VP choice didn't put y'all off your lunches.
Well... I don't get it either.

Mexico doesn't tax oil like we do either. So many people are down for taxing "the man" but big oil doesn't pay for that we do at the pump.

Here's something that hasn't been discussed much and I don't really know why. Early to mid 20th century oil men along with their politician friends, like its always been, decided to make a strategic effort to prospect oil in other countries to do three things. Help other countries get caught up to the industrial age, make money for all parties involved, and use their oil supply before we use ours. Early oil men might have called what we are now approaching, the changeover. Environmentalists until now have only helped this strategy because they made it hard to drill in the states and in turn drilling goes else where. Now Opec is holding back production because they know that they are getting low. During these last 50 years of money making oil days in the middle east they know with so much demand they can build less, produce the same amount and make their product more valuble. Essentially milking it for all its worth and you can't blame them for that. You see places like Dubai putting forth billion dollar efforts to create a touristy resort Las Vegas type feel to essentially create another economic engine for them to operate on because they have no other resorce than oil right now. So essentially the rest of the world is starting to either run out of oil or realize their power with oil and thus with the rules of supply and demand everyone elses oil has gone up. So we need to turn to our own sources that we have known about since 1920 and use those sources to fuel our way into another energy source for our energy sucking automobile transportation system.

Environmentalists want this expensive oil trend to continue because eventually it will become too expensive for people to buy and people will stop driving and ride a bike or use electric cars or develop another source of energy that theoretically will be more environmentally friendly. All the while they can scream at big oil and call them price gougers to "damn the man" and keep the public pissed off at them and on their side. No drilling, no gas powered cars, clean atmousphere right? Well... Electric cars would only move the carbon footprint from the cars themselves to the power plant. Which is not mostly clean nuclear because environmentalists have stopped them as well. They encourage wind and solar. Not a constant source of energy and we don't have batteries big enough to store it. Hydrogen, natural gas, and ethanol infastructure just isn't there yet and all are prohibitively expensive not to mention the problem of consumers buying underperforming vehicles for more money. However theoretically eventually oil will become more expensive then these sources and force a changeover economically. Environmentalists however don't think about the ripple effect on our economy. Housing bubble is just the first. Oil makes everything go up in cost so that leaves less in the budget for morgages and morgage brokers have gotten it down to such a science that they have young families buying homes way beyond their paygrade. When everyone does this it becomes a credit bubble and you have realty costs out running the GNP. Now imagine when this happens to small businesses and LLC's because they can't keep up either. Millions of million dollar bailouts is not something I want my kids dealing with if I have kids someday. I didn't hear much about drilling at the DNC I just heard alternative energy up the ass. We need the transition to happen over time and most importantly in the private sector, competitively. Over all its the same goal for everyone. Conservatives just opt to let people make their own informed decisions in the direction that makes the most sense. Liberals just want to throw money and government at every whim of the almighty CHANGE. A for effort and all and of corse more power to the activists but I'm a bit numb to the activists because everyone is one and its impossible to get away from it. God just put down the sign and run for office already.

All this is pretty common sense stuff yet so many conservatives get labeled as crazy for whatever reason.

Anyone who thinks either Obama or McCain is going to change the country in some large way will be very disappointed. The system is broken and is well past needing to be "changed"; it needs to be burnt down and rebuilt.

IMO, of course.

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