That's a pretty good photoshop job.

Pretty sure its real. Yeah all the war mongers carry BB guns.

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Originally posted by Skreech:
Well... Electric cars would only move the carbon footprint from the cars themselves to the power plant.

Do you have the carbon footprint numbers of gas power cars vs. electric cars?

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Originally posted by RacerX:
Anyone who thinks either Obama or McCain is going to change the country in some large way will be very disappointed. The system is broken and is well past needing to be "changed"; it needs to be burnt down and rebuilt.

IMO, of course.

Real political change & growth happens when Americans take control and make that change for themselves. So no, Obama nor McCain will make significant change within gov't on their own ... especially within 4 years. True change happens at home, from within our communities & from our own effort, not from a Republican nor Democratic Federal magic bullet. The system was never perfect to begin with. Our strength and durability comes from our ability to evolve & fix our flaws. Do not separate yourself from the system because as an American (assumption on my part), you are a part of it and in a small way responsible for, whether you approve of how its running or not - a direct reflection on all of us.

Subsequently, Obama has alluded to this numerous times ... and from his own POV, I suppose, so has McCain. After watching the DNC & RNC I do admit there are parts of both candidates platforms that I like and agree with.

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Do not separate yourself from the system because as an American (assumption on my part), you are a part of it and in a small way responsible for, whether you approve of how its running or not - a direct reflection on all of us.

I figure I gotta at least touch the system to burn it down, so it's not exactly "separating."

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Real political change & growth happens when Americans take control and make that change for themselves. So no, Obama nor McCain will make significant change within gov't on their own ... especially within 4 years. True change happens at home, from within our communities & from our own effort, not from a Republican nor Democratic Federal magic bullet. The system was never perfect to begin with. Our strength and durability comes from our ability to evolve & fix our flaws. Do not separate yourself from the system because as an American (assumption on my part), you are a part of it and in a small way responsible for, whether you approve of how its running or not - a direct reflection on all of us.

Subsequently, Obama has alluded to this numerous times ... and from his own POV, I suppose, so has McCain. After watching the DNC & RNC I do admit there are parts of both candidates platforms that I like and agree with.

well said and I agree.

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Originally posted by RacerX:

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Do not separate yourself from the system because as an American (assumption on my part), you are a part of it and in a small way responsible for, whether you approve of how its running or not - a direct reflection on all of us.

I figure I gotta at least touch the system to burn it down, so it's not exactly "separating."

LOL that was funny!

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i have not been able to tear myself away from watching the sea of pasty white faces at the RNC deluding themselves and swallowing all the fear-mongering horse dung that the GOP apparently feels is still valid lo these many years since the WMD argument against Iraq...

hehe, so true. One of the whitest crowds ever... and some of the makeup on the women in the audience... was it just me or did the RNC have a 1980's televangelist feel to it?

BTW - I'm not a huge fan of either political party, the DNC was cheesy too, they just had much more of a diverse crowd that more accurately reflects the population of the US. (Though the RNC editing crew clearly made a point to show a closeup of all the 3-4 brothers in the audience every chance they got.)

Barack, clearly one of the most intelligent people in the running for some time, but sometimes I wish he would just give a clear, straight answer to a question rather than going on about stuff. The boneheads in this country need that.

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Originally posted by Rhian Batson:
Real political change & growth happens when Americans take control and make that change for themselves.

That reminds me of something I saw in Simon's story about Nader's visit:

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A woman asks the candidate how well he could work with Congress if he is elected. The crowd chuckles, and he says if he were elected president, there would be such a groundswell that many of the members of Congress he disagrees with would no longer be in office.

There's nobody you can elect that really solves a problem, but electing certain people can be a symptom of us having solved the problem. By the time you have elected Mr/Ms Wonderful to be president, they're already irrelevant.

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Do you have the carbon footprint numbers of gas power cars vs. electric cars?

Do you? You know what google is right?

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Originally posted by Skreech:

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Do you have the carbon footprint numbers of gas power cars vs. electric cars?

Do you? You know what google is right?

Once again you miss the point. You go on these long rants with little or no facts.

Labels such as "conservative and "liberal" merely serve to divide people. I am fiscally conservative but socially progressive. Pork barrel spending is a real problem, but let's not gut education. No tax breaks for domestic companies that out-source labor to other countries. Get the government out of my bedroom and into energy price regulation.I am pro-choice but also support capital punishment. I am vehement about the separation of church and state. No former or current clergy member should be in the government. The freedom worship in your own way is also a sacred right, but should have no funding or tax relief from the government. Yes euthanasia...no nukes (until someone figures out what to do about the waste). Put the government's money and muscle behind alternative energy (like they did for the transistor and IC chip). Tax breaks for investment in new energy technologies--not big oil.
As long as private interests can give money to elected officials corruption is unavoidable. Let's get that policy changed and we might have a chance.

Here is the list of Books Palin tried to Ban in Alaska when she was mayor of Wasilla Alaska. Actually had the ban in effect for almost three months.

Fucking Idiot.

A Clockwork Orange by Anthony Burgess
A Wrinkle in Time by Madeleine L'Engle
Annie on My Mind by Nancy Garden
As I Lay Dying by William Faulkner
Blubber by Judy Blume
Brave New World by Aldous Huxley
Bridge to Terabithia by Katherine Paterson
Canterbury Tales by Chaucer
Carrie by Stephen King
Catch-22 by Joseph Heller
Christine by Stephen King
Confessions by Jean-Jacques Rousseau
Cujo by Stephen King
Curses, Hexes, and Spells by Daniel Cohen
Daddy's Roommate by Michael Willhoite
Day No Pigs Would Die by Robert Peck
Death of a Salesman by Arthur Miller
Decameron by Boccaccio
East of Eden by John Steinbeck
Fallen Angels by Walter Myers
Fanny Hill (Memoirs of a Woman of Pleasure) by John Cleland
Flowers For Algernon by Daniel Keyes
Forever by Judy Blume
Grendel by John Champlin Gardner
Halloween ABC by Eve Merriam
Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone by J.K. Rowling
Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets by J.K. Rowling
Harry Potter and the Prizoner of Azkaban by J.K. Rowling
Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire by J.K. Rowling
Have to Go by Robert Munsch
Heather Has Two Mommies by Leslea Newman
How to Eat Fried Worms by Thomas Rockwell
Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings by Maya Angelou
Impressions edited by Jack Booth
In the Night Kitchen by Maurice Sendak
It's Okay if You Don't Love Me by Norma Klein
James and the Giant Peach by Roald Dahl
Lady Chatterley's Lover by D.H. Lawrence
Leaves of Grass by Walt Whitman
Little Red Riding Hood by Jacob and Wilhelm Grimm
Lord of the Flies by William Golding
Love is One of the Choices by Norma Klein
Lysistrata by Aristophanes
More Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
My Brother Sam Is Dead by James Lincoln Collier and Christopher Collier
My House by Nikki Giovanni
My Friend Flicka by Mary O'Hara
Night Chills by Dean Koontz
Of Mice and Men by John Steinbeck
On My Honor by Marion Dane Bauer
One Day in The Life of Ivan Denisovich by Alexander Solzhenitsyn
One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest by Ken Kesey
One Hundred Years of Solitude by Gabriel Garcia Marquez
Ordinary People by Judith Guest
Our Bodies, Ourselves by Boston Women's Health Collective
Prince of Tides by Pat Conroy
Revolting Rhymes by Roald Dahl
Scary Stories 3: More Tales to Chill Your Bones by Alvin Schwartz
Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
Separate Peace by John Knowles
Silas Marner by George Eliot
Slaughterhouse-Five by Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.
Tarzan of the Apes by Edgar Rice Burroughs
The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
The Adventures of Tom Sawyer by Mark Twain
The Bastard by John Jakes
The Catcher in the Rye by J.D. Salinger
The Chocolate War by Robert Cormier
The Color Purple by Alice Walker
The Devil's Alternative by Frederick Forsyth
The Figure in the Shadows by John Bellairs
The Grapes of Wrath by John Steinbeck
The Great Gilly Hopkins by Katherine Paterson
The Handmaid's Tale by Margaret Atwood
The Headless Cupid by Zilpha Snyder
The Learning Tree by Gordon Parks
The Living Bible by William C. Bower
The Merchant of Venice by William Shakespeare
The New Teenage Body Book by Kathy McCoy and Charles Wibbelsman
The Pigman by Paul Zindel
The Seduction of Peter S. by Lawrence Sanders
The Shining by Stephen King
The Witches by Roald Dahl
The Witches of Worm by Zilpha Snyder
Then Again, Maybe I Won't by Judy Blume
To Kill A Mockingbird by Harper Lee
Twelfth Night by William Shakespeare
Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary by the Merriam-Webster Editorial Staff
Witches, Pumpkins, and Grinning Ghosts: The Story of the Halloween Symbols by Edna Barth

I can't believe that in the 21st Century, United States, people like this still exist in the numbers that they do, much less hold positions of power. Just as bad are the asshats that continue to vote for and support these pathetic, narrow minded shit bags. C'mon people, didn't anyone learn from the perpetual and continued failures and lies of the bUsh rein of terror? These people don't even represent the "typical" republican. Republican sheep? Perhaps.

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Christine by Stephen King

one of my favorite-all time movies.


How does banning books jive with the idea of "limited" government???

more on Palin here HERE

Huxley's Brave New World? Ironic.

I'm surprised she didn't ban 1984 or Fahrenheit 451, but I assume it's because she never read them

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I'm surprised she didn't ban 1986

you mean 1984?

Black, please tell me your kidding.

I wish. The list is in an old Alaska newspaper from when she was a Mayor.

I saw this linked here.

The list Black gave as far as I can tell was copied from librarian.net where a commenter going by the name Andrew Acoin posted it in the comments fourum. The next post asked for the source of this information so I scannned through and saw no other post from Andrew but I did find another commenter by the name of Paul post a shortened version of the list with this at the end. I HATE THIS BITCH! SPREAD THE LIST! EVERYONE COPY, PASTE AND REPOST!!!!!!!! This is why I would rather talk about problems and solutions because smear tactics run rampant when it comes to candidates. Time mag couldn't reach the librarian involved for comment by the way. Might I also mention that spreading this list like paul or andrew would have you do is another form of fear mongering. Dems really want you to be afraid of Pailin. Perhaps someone will get to the librarian, perhaps we'll hear from the community, perhaps we'll hear from Sarah herself and we'll see what this is all about. You have to understand that the Obama campaign is afraid of her so they want to keep her on the defensive. VPs always attack hard and they don't want her attacking because she is good at it you have to admit.

Black I don't think I have to say it.

Davefame I was hoping you could post some facts. I believe in you its easy just look up fiesability study of electric cars. I'm curious what you dig up. I read popular science all the time as well as popular mechanics. Its a pretty well known fact that electric cars aren't fiesable yet but we are getting closer.