what is the justification for defending one band member's poor behavior / immature attitude at a show, just saying "that's just the way he is" rather than attempting to correct the offending party ?

bottom line - anyone that sets up their gear and noodles or "rocks out" on their rig / kit for 10 minutes BEFORE their set time is simply not being professional .

warm up before your gig, or go back to middle school, where that shit is expected .

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Originally posted by stue trory:
attempting to correct the offending party ?

You could borrow Sid's cattle prod, tazer or gun! See here....

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what is the justification for defending one band member's poor behavior / immature attitude at a show

Fire him/her; that's what we did and we are a thousand time a better band because of it...

Ok, first off, my little one is spending the night at her grandparent's house, hence, I'm drinking whisk(e)y from my flask, so maybe I'm missing the point a bit, but here's what I gather: Because a guitarist is un-amplified prior to the start of a gig, he can warm up all he wants, playing EXACTLY what he's going to play on stage and he's alright, but a drummer who happens to play every instrument on his kit prior to his start time, you know, just to make sure all his shit's in the right place is a worthless, egomaniacal, unprofessional fuck, because he appears to be showing off...? Let me say this: I stretch my entire body before playing and I'm known to occasionally warm up on a practice pad. But warming up on a practice pad doesn't warm up every muscle group I'm about to use. I warm up a bit before breakdown, but that's potentially 3 hours before I perform. Let me put this out there: (and I apologize for the colons) What if your A-string was suddenly a half millimeter lower? Would that fuck you up just slightly? Take heart, your strings aren't going to magically change places, unlike a drummer, who must physically place every instrument on his kit EVERY single fucking time. I'll agree with Mr. (Ms.?) Stue Trory in that set-up and soundcheck is definitely not the time to take a drum solo, but that's where my agreement stops. Guess what boys and girls, a drummer must HIT A DRUM OR TWO prior to the beginning of a performance. It sounds like Stue Trory wants absolute silence from the drummer pre-performance, and I think that THIS attitude is unprofessional, callous and shows a serious lack of respect for a member of the band without whom you'd be absolutely fucking NOTHING. Stue, your attitude is unprofessional and extremely narrow.

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Fire him/her; that's what we did and we are a thousand time a better band because of it...

A: Geoff's correct, they DO sound like 1,001 times better.

B: If your drummer tries to fight Joe Anderson at your Launchpad gig, he's fucking gone. No longer a part of the organization.

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poor behavior / immature attitude

POOR BEHAVIOR? Who the fuck do you think you are? Drummer must be silent, like the little bitch you think he should be? Go back to mid-school your-fucking-self.

Sounds like an advanced case of cranialrectumitis to me.

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kit for 10 minutes BEFORE their set time is simply not being professional .

slam anudder one fer meeee.

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I'll agree with (Ms.?) Stue Trory in that set-up and soundcheck is definitely not the time to take a drum solo, but that's where my agreement stops

i was not looking for agreement, just how it is justified to solo AT FULL VOLUME for 10-15 minutes before the set. -
not just referencing drummers here -
the club has a jukebox / pipes music for a reason.

this has evidently struck a nerve for you ,
glad i could get you so worked up with only the aid of a flask o whiskey, msr. junkie .

maybe the solution is to look at the whole 2 and a half sentences before ranting your responses out every 10 minutes or so .

the point is you wouldn't get away with that shit at launchpad, sunshine, journal, ACC, or any like venue and expect to be asked back (unless you are danny carey or such caliber of a player AND respect).

i just feel that it draws negative attention to the player, and by association, THE BAND .
and undoubtedly annoys the sound tech if they are placing mics and setting other levels.

should the band not be concerned with such things?

or just say FUCK IT ...
its RAWKKK and ROOOOLLLLLLL !

ok...as a drummer and a sound guy...i get really annoyed at drum soloing prior to sound check...i have actually told drummers that when you are done masturbating on the drums if we could get on with sound check...the rest of the band have found this quite humorous...but yeah...i do my sound check the way i have watched many a touring drummer does...set up....a few rolls and a couple of cymbal strikes...make my quick adjustments and if it aint right...live with it and get the gig going...i find drum solos while setting up to be totally annoying and takes away from the rest of the band doing their thing...mostly this comes up with young drummers in new bands to the bar, club scene...but sound check when bands get a full backline of mics on the drums do i allow a short lil solo so i got all the levels right and that helps get the attention of the audience...but i get mikes and stue trory's point and as an audience member as well...i find that small adjustments during the set works fine...most bands and musicians that have been playing out long enough know that getting the show on the road is most important...fix the lil things as you go along...nobody is dying...nuff said

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IMO jerking off for 10 minutes before the gig during soundcheck is incredibly unprofessional and disrespectful to the soundguy. I wouldnt put up with it either because his/her bad actions do reflect negatively upon everyone else in the band. In terms of drummers specifically, the only thought to warming up Chris (our drummer) ever gave us was "dont play the fast song first - gimme a chance to warm up on something slower". That to me is proof enough that any drummers worth their salt can warm up without the need for excessive soundcheck wankery.

IMHO and as always YMMV

ok if i may put my 2 cents in here...having played on stage a million times and getting ragged on by the sound guy a million times for "soloing" before start time..it is annoying when the drummer goes on and on for 10 minutes while the rest of the guys are trying to set there stuff up. when i do a show i usually warm up by going outside and walking around for a little bit doing some stretches and rudiments on the concrete then i go in set up my shit hit my drums for 3 or 4 minutes and then its time to rock! but a lot of people seem to forget that drummers have to use there whole body to play while the guitar guys use thier hands. i was at my friends house last night watching thier band practice and thier drummer would not shut up for 3 minutes after each song...that does get kind of annoying after awhile. a good drummer needs to know when to shut up as he needs that short break in between songs.

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Originally posted by stue trory:
solo AT FULL VOLUME for 10-15 minutes before the set. -

Yeah, that would be pretty damn annoying. Didn't anyone tell him to shut up?

Our drummer will get everything set up and do like a 10 second run over the toms and cymbals and then wait for the sound check and usually the sound guy does snair, kick rack toms floor toms and then the whole kit for 10 secs or so and then moves on. Everyone in the band does an equipment check. I usually check distortion clean annd all my effects to make sure every thing is balenced well. Then again for the sound guy. Also we quickly check our amp levels againsed eachother to get a good stage balance before the sound guy is ready to set his levels that way he can set the preamps without any suprises. As far as warming up goes its just best to warm up on your first song. Just play a song that rocks and is easy to play. I think that any player on any insterment that can't just play with confidence right off the bat has some practicing to do.

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Originally posted by Skreech:
I think that any player on any insterment that can't just play with confidence right off the bat has some practicing to do.

I can't wait to read Simfonik Junkie's response to that!

My response to that is that we all have some practicing to do. I've been thinking about it, and I guess I just haven't seen a whole lot of what's being discussed. We actually have the mic check song, which lasts for about 20 seconds, that we use for a warm-up. That way there's no reason not to be able to play the fast heavy shit right out of the gate. I just didn't care for Stue's attitude about the whole thing. Saying shit like "correct the behavior" is just asshole rockstar talk. Why not say to the drummer something about how the show presents itself better if there's silence beforehand? And shit, unless we're going on first, we NEVER have enough time to be noodling. We're scrambling to get set and as soon as that's accomplished, downbeat. It's the whole holier-than-and-also-more-professional-than-thou thing.

I agree that one must warm up some before playing, but 10 minutes is too much. The sound guy will check each drum, and then say, "Alright. Let's hear the entire kit." That's when you bash around for a minute. Then you're done and it's time for the band to get the show on the road.

I had a drum teacher that would make me play on tables, pillows, or air drum as a warm up. It taught me that I didn't always need a kit to warm up all the time and it helped.

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unless we're going on first, we NEVER have enough time to be noodling. We're scrambling to get set and as soon as that's accomplished, downbeat. It's the whole holier-than-and-also-more-professional-than-thou thing.

precisely the point.

mike has evidently chosen to take offense first and consider what i said 5th .

when a band blows off the unprofessional behavior of one member that shows poor judgment , it reflects poorly on the band .

when i got holy or more professional than whoever thou is, i dunno .

but everyone in the band should take an interest in how the ensemble comes across from the minute they enter the establishment .

if it is OK with the rest of the band to just start yelling and screaming random shit in various parts of the club, during another band's set, or standing at the bar , that is one thing .
the stage is where the group('s intent/hard work etc) should be represented.

that is all i was saying



take offense, i'm not using it

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while the guitar guys use their hands

I beg to differ... when I'm done playing "my whole body" is sore and my hands are just fine...