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ROOFUS

I ain't said shit on here about the military, yet.

This is where I stand on it. I have SEVERAL relatives who fought in WWII, and have sat in many a bar and a few jail cells with vets from Korea to Vietraq and everything in between.

I also have a brother who served during Desert Storm.

I have nothing but respect for anyone who was unfortunate enough to be serving when this quagmire(sp?) we're in now was started. A lot of buds of mine from highschool who signed up right out of the gate ended up over there. Luckily for me I dropped out of highschool and prior to 9/11 the military didn't want you without a highschool diploma. And shortly after 9/11 it was pretty apparent that my generation was being killed off across the globe to line the pockets of a bunch of rich, evil, sickening dogs of war. And we're still in that war, so me not serving has nothing to do with balls. My life is worth a lot more than helping Dick Cheney get more blood money to pay for his daughter's post civil union bash.

Now, the fine line of vets I respect and those I don't. I respect vets who were drafted or enlisted for patriotic or financial reasons and saw real action and really did fight for their country. I'll buy any one of them a beer with my last dollar any day.

Guys who served their 4 years, did nothing, and realize that it was what it was are good people.

Meatheads who sign up because they want to go kill them some brown people can suck a million AIDS infested cocks for all I care.

Anyone who decided to join up after 9/11 when we already knew what a sham this war was will get no respect from me.

But the worst of the worst. Vets who never saw any kind of action yet still act like they did something above and beyond the call of duty are delusional, self-rightous cocksuckers of the highest order. When the most action someone saw in the military was guarding a keg in some field in Alabama they better not get long winded on me about what a fucking hero they are.

Doing a lot of running and pushups while wearing a uniform doesn't equal fighting for anyone's freedom or rights. Brett Favre did it for almost 20 years. Yet shockingly I don't think my freedom has much to do with his contributions either.

And no offense ROOFUS, I have no fucking clue who you are. I'm just saying there are vets who deserve respect and a lot of vets who think they deserve respect.

For the record, my brother who was in the service during desert storm is among the later. And any time he gets all long winded about what a patriot it makes him I'm the first one to put an end to it.

Dude, part of being a grown-assman, is being educated. Out of high school I was ready to join up in the air-force. Then GWRetard was elected and I thought better of it not to jump on that ship. I had a sinking feeling about that guy and for the most part was right.

You assume somehow, just because I haven't given up my life to the government that I don't work my ass to the bone daily. Building houses ain't no picnic, sure it doesn't have all the bullshit pageantry and dead symbolism (and you don't have bullets flying at you), but it's still hard fucking work.

I don't comdemn anyone for trying "to do their part." But what difference do you think it makes when the government is so corrupt?

That's a question you have to answer for yourself. And as far bootlicking, I didn't join up and am fighting for social justice and better world for most, how bout shaking my hand?

Or I can stil give you hug.

Can we add Roofus to the list, please? Come on dude, you're not anyone on here's dad or grandpa, so stop acting like the rocksquawk patriarch. "Children under my heels and dirt under my fingers..." Oh brother.

I have more respect for any one person who has ever served in the military at any time and for any reason than all of the mewling, overpriveleged dumb white big mouthed college kids you can put together.

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Originally posted by miss_thrax:
Is it really possible that 44 percent of RockSquawkers think Foodstamps deserves the coveted title of RockSquawk's biggest tool? Is this mass sarcasm?

While I don't know the fellow IRL, he seems to be anything but a mindless follower, a brainwashed sycophant, or an unintelligent establishment type plagued by low self-esteem.

Color me confused.

You're reading it wrong. I did the same thing at first, and was really excited to be in the lead. I was hoping to win some Hostess Fruit Pies.

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Originally posted by dirtbag:
I ain't said shit on here about the military, yet.

This is where I stand on it. I have SEVERAL relatives who fought in WWII, and have sat in many a bar and a few jail cells with vets from Korea to Vietraq and everything in between.

I also have a brother who served during Desert Storm.

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Add my Father, little Brother, Operation Desert Shield, Desert Storm, the Arms for Drugs/Sandinista, Central America Conflict, Chile, Panama and my Honorable Discharge and you pretty have my resume and experience. My grandparents on both sides were immigrants and all the men served in the U.S. military and pretty much all saw combat action.

But shit, this is a pretty personal decision. To try and get all aggro and superior over someone criticizing the military, war or any of that is pretty weak. There's nothing positive about war or the way the fat cats at the top use the military for their own agenda. Having the people bitching and fighting amongst themselves about what's patriotic and what's not is exactly the kind of subterfuge those fuckers want you to fall for.

Instead of posturing and making veiled threats, one would be better served to use their experience to educate and help enlighten others with the skills you acquired during your service. Acting tough, defensive and gungy makes you appear like someone who insists that their glory days were better than yours, and it toally plays into the mind set that the above mentioned fat-cats count on in order to keep the masses fat and apathetic to what just might really be the truth.

Not that I'm paranoid or anything.

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Originally posted by foodstamps:
I have more respect for any one person who has ever served in the military at any time and for any reason than all of the mewling, overpriveleged dumb white big mouthed college kids you can put together.

What about an overprivileged, dumb white college kid who served in the military as well? (See GW Bush)

Sure!

(Nice, by the way.)

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Originally posted by ROOFUS:
...YOU CAN'T TAKE ON THE AMERICAN GOVERNMENT WHEN YOU TAKE NOTES FROM THE WHITE MAN...

Umm.
Wow.

This thread turned serious so here's the real me. I put some serious thought into joining the military. Out of highschool I sort of figured that I wasn't cut out for it because I really had a problem with athority in general. Then 9/11 happened and I got angry. Very angry. I considered joining again. Spent many hours thinking and praying. I craved adventure like many young folks and equally I wanted to go kill the bastards behind the attack. I decided not to because of the vow you have to take. I honestly don't think I could have made the vow without anger and hatred biasing my mind one way or the other. I knew there was hatred in my veins and I vowed to myself that I would never let hatred or fear guide my ability to make decisions. There is no doubt in my mind that I would have gone to war and killed because I wanted to kill more so then kill because it was my duty. I have a great amount of respect for our military. I respect anyone and everyone that takes that vow and means it. I hope and pray for those fighting for the right reasons. I am saddened by the ones who aren't.

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Originally posted by black:
it toally plays into the mind set that the above mentioned fat-cats count on in order to keep the masses fat and apathetic to what just might really be the truth.

Not that I'm paranoid or anything.

Post of the day!

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I wanted to go kill the bastards behind the attack.

Who, the Iraqis??? Or just brown people in general?

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I wanted to go kill the bastards behind the attack.

I don't think we ever went after the Saudis, did we?

Tools all TOOLS! I love America, not our government. The people are what makes this country rich, not the decision makers. Criticizing a person for his or her personal descisions is fairly shallow minded. I tend to judge people too, but I try not to. When we make such judgements, we limit a person's potential, which in turn limits our potential as a society.

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Originally posted by Skreech:
Then 9/11 happened and I got angry. Very angry. I considered joining again.

Understandable, but the problem is there's no way to know that joining, will give you that desired justice. You don't know what your orders will be, or who will be giving them, or what their agenda is. They say they will use you to protect your country, but what will they really do with you, once they own you? Once you enlist, if you think they make the wrong choices, it's not like you can Just Say No.

It's not even a post-9/11 thing; it goes back at least to Vietnam, and some say earlier.

It's so romantic to pledge your life to your country, but it's not the country that accepts the pledge; it's the government. The two things have become very different, and they will remain utterly separate things until voters begin to demand accountability.

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Out of highschool I sort of figured that I wasn't cut out for it because I really had a problem with athority in general.

That attitude might have saved your life. Those who assert authority must earn respect, and spending lots of money on campaign ads to get elected, may get them a title, but it doesn't earn respect. I wish everyone had a problem with authority, and the ads didn't work.

[Not specifically to Skreech:] Please, kids, don't join. Wait until there is discipline and integrity in Washington, or become one of the creators of that discipline and integrity. Don't bet your life on an organization whose very purpose is to pay back campaign investors.

I knew a guy who joined up post-9-11, and got stuck in Kentucky for like two years and then Germany. He's pretty pissed!

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Originally posted by department of mistakes repeated:
I knew a guy who joined up post-9-11, and got stuck in Kentucky for like two years and then Germany. He's pretty pissed!

And alive!

Black hit it on the head. Yet again, jerk... er I mean, right on!

But I mean yeah, I don't see military service any different as any career choice at this point. This isn't WWII we're talking about, this is a government using humans as pawns to secure economic interests and dole out money for weapons contracts. You're not fighting for any freedoms, you're making sure rich assholes stay rich. And if you were fighting for our freedoms, I'd imagine free speech would be one of them and yet impeding on someone's free speech to criticize a destructive, corrupt web of falsehoods doesn't seem to have sunk in.

I'm sick and tired of this "fighting for YOUR freedoms" horseshit and the "support the troops" crap. Yeah, I read the magnet, shit-head. Where the fuck were all these assholes when the troops were getting sent into hell? Where was the support then? And how 'bout now? Troops ending up homeless, having to pay back money they were supposedly guaranteed and not having adequate medical assurances when they get home. Where the fuck is the outrage?

Oh crap, I'm missing American Idol, gotta run. </sarcasm>

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Who, the Iraqis??? Or just brown people in general?

I married a brown person.

Rob how does someone earn your respect? Do you respect people that Hollywood gets their jollies off on like Obama? Do disrespect people who get speculated about by the media simply cause they know all the skeptic fools in society will pounce on it? I know you feel like your speaking out dissent and that is a way you want to contribute to society and all. But what are the facts? Do you really know? Do any of us really know? Here's what I say. Fuck Hollywood and Fuck the media. There you go folks are you happy to hear dissent from me? You guys can keep rolling and following popular opinion all you want. Here's what I know. The people I know that are there and have been in Iraq are there for the right reasons. All of which have earned my respect before they went. If there are oil kick backs then take them down and let them rot in prison for Christs sake? They deserve what's coming to them. Obviously you can't. If they were really doing this don't you think someone could prove it. Out of all the obscenely rich people that have been trying no one has.

Ok now everyone can get even more pissed off go ahead. Don't forget to tell me that these are run of the mill conservative arguments blah blah blah. Yes I remember that none of you like to claim to be liberals and because of that you aren't just going with the flow. Make sure you tell me I'm a moron and bring up the fact that I'm white too. Take some swings at my hometown. Don't forget all christians are evil.

Rob about veterans have you ever considered doing some work at the salvation army? Oh wait them and most other charities are run by evil christians too. Never mind.

Sorry guys I won't be able to argue this one out. Too busy. So have fun tearing me to shreds I won't be responding. I like Dave would rather this thread just end.

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Originally posted by Skreech:
Rob how does someone earn your respect? Do you respect people that Hollywood gets their jollies off on like Obama? Do disrespect people who get speculated about by the media simply cause they know all the skeptic fools in society will pounce on it? I know you feel like your speaking out dissent and that is a way you want to contribute to society and all. But what are the facts? Do you really know? Do any of us really know? Here's what I say. Fuck Hollywood and Fuck the media. There you go folks are you happy to hear dissent from me? You guys can keep rolling and following popular opinion all you want. Here's what I know. The people I know that are there and have been in Iraq are there for the right reasons. All of which have earned my respect before they went. If there are oil kick backs then take them down and let them rot in prison for Christs sake? They deserve what's coming to them. Obviously you can't. If they were really doing this don't you think someone could prove it. Out of all the obscenely rich people that have been trying no one has.

Ok now everyone can get even more pissed off go ahead. Don't forget to tell me that these are run of the mill conservative arguments blah blah blah. Yes I remember that none of you like to claim to be liberals and because of that you aren't just going with the flow. Make sure you tell me I'm a moron and bring up the fact that I'm white too. Take some swings at my hometown. Don't forget all christians are evil.

Rob about veterans have you ever considered doing some work at the salvation army? Oh wait them and most other charities are run by evil christians too. Never mind.

Sorry guys I won't be able to argue this one out. Too busy. So have fun tearing me to shreds I won't be responding. I like Dave would rather this thread just end.

Oh I get it, "If I don't see it must not be there!"

But then that would negate faith and religion... hrmmm... what to do?

I don't know where this hollywood/media horseshit stuff comes from. Why would I give two shits what media corporations with more interest in ad revenue have to say? What kind of ridiculousness is that?

You cats wanna know where I get facts and my supposedly big words from? I read. Yup, reading. They still print books. Oh and you can read the news on the internet. You know other countries around the world probably know what goes on in our country better than most Americans. Because their media isn't all fucked up and distorted.

"Do any of us really know?" Wake the fuck up, kid. I know ideas that challenge certain peoples' views tend to send them to places they don't like, so they do all sorts of things in order to not aknowledge reality, it's called denial.

If you study history, economic gains and losses, crime and mental health and mental illness, human behavior doesn't become so random. Humans are sometimes greedy creatures. Our largest concern is survival. Our largest bain is arrogance.

The difference in white-collar crime versus lower class crime is LCC is usually caused by mental illness and survival and less about greediness. Where do you think White-collar falls under those three categories? I'll go greediness, mental illness and maybe at best, survival. Now we all know there are a million and one factors in crime, but let's take money.

What's the difference between Organized Crime and your ghetto, thug-lifin' Gang Crime? More often than not, murders are well planned and thought out in Organized Crime. Money crimes, in Organized Crime deal with dividends larger than a couple of thugs running up on the neighborhood dealer and jacking his shit.
It's the difference between convience store robberies and large-scale money-making scams. Criminals from Organized crime tend to be better regarded in more affluent communities than their thug-life counterparts.

The crazy part that usually causes white-collar crime is the same thing you often see in well established organized criminals: arrogance. A criminal can slip easily when they get greedy. And greed is often born of arrogance in that somehow the criminal believes he is OWED more than he deserves. When criminals get greedy, they become more dangerous and develop a bit of a god-complex. A god-complex born of arrogance.

Say you give a law abiding citizen a certain amount of power and freedom, some may not abuse it, but I doubt with the amount of arrogance this human race has shown in it's existence throughout history, that most people don't take of advantage of certain situations. If you don't, well I imagine you mean well, but you're a chump. Despite some ideal we'd all like to believe in, that man is some pure being composed of beautiful light and a wonderfully well-meaning soul, be honest with yourself and look at any of the wrongs you've perpetrated in your life. Think back on history. People don't do things out of evil, usually. There's a greed and arrogance and a god-complex in there.

So despite all the beauty we're capable of we're also part of an awful and awesome power. You can't tell me, that one time in your life you never took advantage of a situation. It's innate. It's how we've survived so long. But in order to survive in a civilized society we've been able to control it to a point. But we've all been sharks at one point or another.

In the business world, the ability to be a shark well pays off big. We love our Darwiniam Capitalism. It's no lie that sharks do well, and they do well by any way they can get away with. And sometimes sharks do a little white-collar crime. And sometimes they get caught, but usually, they don't. Because that's how it goes with crime. Most crime never comes to the surface, despite the amount that gets caught. And if you keep doing crime more likely than not, you will slip up, eventually.

Now, if I could somehow connect Dick Cheney or Donald Rumsfeld or GWBush or any of the others in the cadre' to oh, I don't know, lying about reasons to start a war in a region we had no business in being in, overthrowing a dictator we (The good ol' US of A) set-up and sold biological weapons to, for interests of oil so we could help our dear Saudi friends consolidate power, a country we didn't invade despite most of the 9-11 hi-jackers being Saudi Nationals and who we instead almost contracted out the rights to keep our ports safe (remember the slight dust-up over U.nited A.rab E.mirites controlling US ports?) while at the same time draining the treasurey, creating massive debt on the American taxpayers dime and handing out no-bid contracts (you know a contract where you do a friend a favor, usually, because a bid would take into account cost, capabilty and other important fiscally responsible factors) to companies that those in a place of power used to sit on the board of directors for and make it stick I'd be in People's Top 50 people 2009.

But I wouldn't sit there with my head up Limbaugh's ass or Fox New's ass or whomever's ass my head would have to be up (including my own) that would keep me from believing that this isn't a possiblity. That I should believe anything these people say with the disregard and arrogance they display when asked to answer to anyone, much less the American people is completely insane. I wasn't given a mind to not use it.

To think that these people some how care about you and you believe that is what makes this laughable. Everything else is just tragic. And mark my motherfucking words, if they ever do get found out or somehow this comes up again in my lifetime and we get some light on the truth I will not be hesitant this time to gloat: I fucking told you so.

Because that February and March before we went into Iraq I knew those cocksuckers were lying. The Pentagon has aknowledged there were NO WMDS and NO TIES to AL-QUAEDA pre-invasion. That was before all the kids were doing the anti-war thing. Before it was popular.

I'm sick to death of ignorance, willful or otherwise being a constant excuse for retarded behavior. I'm not some genius (although I'd love to be regarded as one, who doesn't?) I just paid attention, questioned the motives, understood history and human nature. I didn't need someone to spell it all out for me. It always comes down to who gains what. If that still doesn't sink in, you're hopeless.

And I don't know where you think I have some sort of animosity towards religion. I regard religion the same way I regard taking a shit, it's private and I don't wanna see it nor do I care. Believe in whatever supersitious nonsense that helps you make sense and understand this complicated quirk known as existence. It's all the same mental illness to me.. oops, I mean fairytale... er I mean WHO CARES! I judge people by their religion about as much as I judge them by their skin color, sexual orientation or flammability.

It's the words they say and they way interact with the world at large that matters to me.

Salvation Army... eye roll, yeah let's all clean up the Bush Administrations mess together instead of holding them responsible. Because either way we're all going to have to clean up this mess and pay for it eventually.

I, on the other hand have no idea what fantasy you're living in.