I'm a little torn betwixt "Pretty Vacant"(Sex Pistols), and Neat Neat Neat(The Damned).

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Originally posted by WebMonkey:
.. but the bands that fringed on white supremacy, racism and/or straight-edge movements was always a HUGE turnoff for me even though I liked some of their songs. That crap goes against everything I see as "punk" which the power of the INDIVIDUAL. Not being in a stupid gang) (skinheads) or feeling like you have to act a certain way to be into a band is not punk in my book... just retarded. As Davefame can attest, where we grew up near Philly the skinheads were a constant hassle at all punk rock shows in the area back then.

Oi! Oi! Just as some bands have completely screwed up the definition of "punk music" - so have the neo-nazis in defining what a "skinhead" is. The traditional skinheads that were formed in 1969 were NOTHING about racism or any other foul stereotypes we've come to believe today. To truly understand this youth movement, you must read "Spirit of '69". Most of the new kids who call themselves "skinheads" today will hate this book.

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Originally posted by unit7drain:
Hey Black, why would purists argue against the Misfits and the Romones? As far as I am concerned the Misfits ARE punk rock. And the Romones?!? What rational do "purists" have in excluding them from the genre?

Harry / U7d

It was Johnny and Joey Ramone who were adament that they were not punk. It was the club scene climate at the time on the East coast that prevented them from starting out in the more "traditional" Rock clubs. Places like C.B.G.B.'s, The Mudd Club and The Peppermint Lounge were open to "new" music (N.Y. Dolls. Television, etc.) that was quickly labeled Punk, and those were the venues the Ramones started in. Myself? Well I figured between the leather jackets, Chuck Taylors and three chord action, that the Ramones were Punk. Apparently they considered themselves more Pop than Punk.


The Misfits musical structure was more akin to Rockabilly and/or Hard Rock/Metal (according to some purisits and former band members) and the costuming and schtick were more akin to Peter Gabriel era Genesis than what was becoming the standard Punk Rock uniform.

When the Misfits first came out, their music reminded me of the Broadway Elks fronted by a Jim Morrison wannabe, and their schtick seemed like some S.C.A.ers trying to do a Kiss thing. I never "got" it. The only performance I enjoyed by Danzig was this one. We were playing in Window Rock, and Danzig was in Tuba City that day!

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Originally posted by n8:
I'm going to go with 12XU by Wire.

Agreed

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Originally posted by black:
Punk Rock uniform.

Contradiction?

Truth be told: I never got the Misfits either.


"I always thought that the 80’s glamsters got it wrong. It’s great to look like the Dolls, but they missed their sound by a country mile…although Hanoi Rocks came close for a few years." - krd

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Originally posted by Ditch Troll:

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Originally posted by black:
Punk Rock uniform.

Contradiction?

Absolutely.
And if you reference C.C. California's post about skinheads and such, you'll get my gist. The co-opting of any Underground or 'Youth' Movement by the mainstream, inevitably results in things like uniforms, that eventually spawn shit like Hot Topic, Pop Punk and the general degradation of the original concept and spirit of said movements.

At least that's my short version of a very long winded answer. (consider yourself lucky...!)

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Originally posted by C.C. California:
Truth be told: I never got the Misfits either.


"I always thought that the 80’s glamsters got it wrong. It’s great to look like the Dolls, but they missed their sound by a country mile…although Hanoi Rocks came close for a few years." - krd

Add this to the constant growing list of reasons why I so *heart* you, C.C. California!

Bl'ast! "Fucking with my Head"

.......and they were not a Black Flag rip-off band

Just like Uniform Choice was not a Minor Threat rip-off bad........

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Originally posted by Baterista Simfonika:
Police Truck, although not being very punk myself, I wouldn't know, necessarily, if the Dead Kennedy's are (still) considered punk.

Some good choices here, but I love the DKs so would go with them. While "Police Truck" is a great song, I think "Holiday In Cambodia" (12 inch version) is better, more political and more representative.

MisFits? Type O? Those are joke bands, right? Campy goth, cheesy music that sucks . . . I don't get the appeal. Except for 13 years old that wear the patches and jackets because they can relate to being actual "misfits."

Right Brigade- Bad Brains

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Originally posted by WebMonkey:
this is awesome http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_3g4QPojMc&feature=related

awesome

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Originally posted by Ditch Troll:
The Decline - NOFX. Any body that can pull off an 18 minute long punk song that encompasses the major problems in our modern society gets my vote.

Didn't the Subhumans have some ridiculously long song, too?

Oh, man, Ditch Drool Tool Troll, you actually admitted on this forum you like NOFX. I would never, in the company of such highly refined punk aesthetic, admit I liked NOFX here, even if I did like them (but I'll not say here if I really do or do not). It's a bit like saying you like the Grateful Dead (which I will also not admit any association or lack thereof with that band); it's asking to be stepped on.

I've always liked D.O.A.'s "Fuck You", but nearly every thing Black Flag did kicks ass, IMHO.

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Originally posted by The Musk:
Oh, man, Ditch Drool Tool Troll, you actually admitted on this forum you like NOFX. I would never, in the company of such highly refined punk aesthetic, admit I liked NOFX here, even if I did like them (but I'll not say here if I really do or do not). It's a bit like saying you like the Grateful Dead (which I will also not admit any association or lack thereof with that band); it's asking to be stepped on.

I've always liked D.O.A.'s "Fuck You", but nearly every thing Black Flag did kicks ass, IMHO.

I like NOFX. White Trash, Two Heebs, and A Bean is a killer album.

Oh, yeah, DOA! The Prisoner is a great fuckin song.

i agree with maury on salad days, that one is up there for me. also, everything ever written by fugazi. or... radio radio by elvis costello.

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Originally posted by The Musk:
Oh, man, Ditch Drool Tool Troll, you actually admitted on this forum you like NOFX. I would never, in the company of such highly refined punk aesthetic, admit I liked NOFX here, even if I did like them (but I'll not say here if I really do or do not). It's a bit like saying you like the Grateful Dead (which I will also not admit any association or lack thereof with that band); it's asking to be stepped on.

Its all good. Step on me. I like NOFX. I'm going to Denver to see them Friday night. Who fucking cares! Carry on.

Only ones - another girl, another planet
Dictators - anything they ever wrote
Television personalities - part time punks

This could go on and on forever. This question is like asking what the meaning of life is or some other dribble.

yeah! Only Ones! (i've been watching them on youtube).
I like the Grateful Dead...

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Originally posted by Zac:
This could go on and on forever. This question is like asking what the meaning of life is or some other dribble.

Ya, this thread sucks. We should have Black end it or change it to something less ambiguous, like hottest rockstar ever.

Pop-Punk, Ska-Punk and the likes cannot be considered Punk. Despite these sort of bands ability to "get the juices flowing" in today's young Punk-y thrashers, too many non-Punk elements are in play. Horn sections, good timey lyrics, love songs, and easy appeal to girls are just a few characteristics of these quasi-Punk bands that deviate from the organic anger, angst, anti-authoritism and social commentary that was part of the blueprint laid out by Punks early pioneers.

Though the debates surrounding Punk will undoubtably rage forever---origins being European or U.S.? East Coast vs. West Coast vs. Heartland? And what about groundbreaking pioneer bands like the Damned (a personal fave) who could be accused of having lyrics that are too "fun"? Or despite the vitriol and social commentary in the Dead Kennedy's (another fave) lyrics, they could be accused of being hippies, or even worse, sell-outs to the mainstream (with the exception of Jello/Eric who was a Boulder Colorado trust fund hippie anyway) Or a group like Rudimentary Peni who were on the forefront of DIY lifestyle as well as a musical style that could be argued as a precurser to Grind Core and it's offshoots?

But for the sake of a generalized end to this discussion, the one band that embodies so much of the spirit, commitment and rage that I think most of us assosiate with Punk, is summed up best by The Musk...

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Originally posted by The Musk:
...nearly every thing Black Flag did kicks ass...

With a musical ethos and touring style harsher than Fugazi, a social viewpoint and commentary more down to earth than the DK's, and an organization that remained true to all the DIY stuff, anything from Black Flag's musical cannon will comfortably fit the subject of this discussion.

End Of Thread!